Congtrats to bush & Cheney for starting their Iraqi war that produced
ISIS. And now Trump is messing around in Syria.

They weren't planning on going to Afghanistan but they took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

:

Thanks Shrub, thanks Darth Vader....no one could fuck it up like you ya'll....

.... they said:

1) We don't believe WMDs are there

2) We think the intel that bush/Cheney/Powell/Condi/Rummy are pushing is bullshit
and we don't trust the likes of Curveball and Chalabi.

3) You will have blowback from your invasion of Iraq and the world
and middle east will be more dangerous.

******

And don't forget ambassador bremer sending the Iraqi army home w/their
guns and they became al Qaeda in Iraq which then morphed into ISIS.

This has weakened state institutions and created favorable terrain for international terrorism.

Sounds terrifying

ridiculous.

it was first tested two years after Tora Bora.

I don't know that for sure, but it would have been the ideal area to use those. The BLU-82B/C-130 "Daisy Cutter" was a 15,000 lb bomb we used in Vietnam to create instant helicopter landing sites in the jungle.

thing was, it turned out that Tora Bora was not a good target for it - it was too dispersed.

The first GBU-28s were made by welding two 8-inch howitzer barrels end-to-end, stuffing one of them full of C-4 and the other one with solid rocket fuel, then attaching a laser guidance package and a delay fuze; they only started making GBU-28 cases after they ran out of howitzer barrels. The first time they tried dropping one it penetrated the earth to a depth of "over 100 feet" (it was a lot over 100 feet - the Air Force dug for two years trying to find the damn thing and finally gave up). They attached it to a rocket sled and fired it at a 22-foot-thick slab of reinforced concrete to test its penetrative capabilities. Most penetrating bombs make a nice big dent in this block. (The Durandal anti-runway bomb Trump should have dropped on that Syrian airbase penetrates 16 inches of concrete.) The GBU-28 went completely through and they found it over a mile downrange. At that point the Air Force decided it was fine and put them in service.

The GBU-28 is a perfect example of government engineering: the Air Force invented this thing all by themselves out of things they already had lying around, for no money, and went from initial concept to operational deployment in two weeks.

and it wasn't enough to kill Bin Laden. Obama got him killed with Navy Seals and stealth helicopters

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/opinions/why-mother-of-all-bombs-and-why-now-bergen/index.html

....it worked out so well for us......9/11 and all.

Al Qaeda, Taliban, Book Haram, ISIS all other spin offs ideology comes from Wahabbism so they have a hisbah & old school punishments held in religious courts. Guess where they get their funding from and the use of charity fronts goes back to the Bosnian wars. Chaos is good for recruiting, we need to take a humanitarian approach who are actually targeted as well as journalists.

they destroy priceless artifacts and archeological sites that conflict with Islam. If you want to talk to them and try to reach some kind of understanding and compromise with them, be my guest. I think to save their neighbors, killing ISIS is probably going to be the only way. Sucks that Bush and Cheney created them, but that cat's out of the bag now.

that interventionism in the Middle East and elsewhere, increases terrorism. Even US intellegence agencies agree.

"Isis affiliates" in Afghanistan.

And a couple of goatherds in the vicinity.

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Former Trump Adviser Carter Page Can’t Remember If He Discussed Sanctions With Russia.

But you combined two comments into one. Hats off.

your sig line...

n/t

for its ability to penetrate hardened, deep targets?

(more of, "Look over here at my BIG toys, boys and girls".)

and now he is addicted to things that go boom. Tomahawks are probably gateway bombs for a general wannabe like draft dodger Trump. "If we have them, why can't we use them?"

And the bigger the BOOM, the better. Watch out North Korea.

What is it with Republicans and massive bombs and destruction?

Oh well, Russia claims to have one that is 4 times more powerful than the MOAB. Trump will try to top it.

Serious shrinkage in the white house, like they have something to prove.

After the syrian airport was in use again 24hrs after we supposedly blew it up!
I can see a frightening scenario developing!

Staff: Mr president,your ratings are still in the toilet after this bombing.
Trump: Well break out the nukes,next stop North korea.

I'm sure it was "beautiful".

cspan photo of spicer says "he declines to say if President Trump ordered the strike"

https://www.c-span.org/

On Kaho'olawe. Nobody can live there now as a result until we can figure out desal.

Why would they need to drop such a huge bomb?

Praying for some glint of good in this man.

We all know how Trump likes his superlatives. Once again, I think Trump is compensating.

The bigger the deficit, the bigger the bombs.

Where did somebody drop a bomb that "broke" a water table?

Here's a journalistic source for you. 1965, 500 tons of explosives cracked the water table.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/the-island-of-kahoolawe-back-from-oblivion-409473.html

Are you in the civil engineering or hydrology field, or trained in either? Am I using the wrong terminology? If so, please elucidate me and the rest of us in the islands. It's the term we use.

There are lots of local scientific sources too, if you go looking. Maybe I'm mistaken but it seems from your post you might prefer a source from the continent or Europe.

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There are miles of tunnels that they are trying to collapse. For most bombs, the explosive is a combination of fuel and oxidizer. With a thermobaric weapon like the MOAB, it's all fuel. So it pulls oxygen from the surrounding air and uses it to fuel the explosion. So it'll suck the air out of tunnels, foxholes, ect, causing them to collapse. It also will suffocate anyone unlucky enough to be in there.

So he drops the MOAB. What will stop him from using nuclear on NK?

his yield ratio/radius of weapons/bombs used is escalating. Just a matter of time now.

Link to tweet

and faux noise is having an orgy about this.......ugh.

At a total cost of about $314 million, the military has developed and ordered 20 of the GPS-guided bombs, called Massive Ordnance Penetrators

I would hope that they hit known tunnels with a known high value target specifically in mind, but we'll never know for sure. I guess, when the target is a mountain or valley and the bomb goes boom, they can say they hit their target without saying what that actually was.

better tell congress. I see no reporting on what congress said when he mentioned the possibility of doing this. Can he and the military just do this? I did not think so and if not they have to stop him. China made fun of him so he bombs someone? Or whatever reason. I don't even trust him to have a reason other than Donald thought it would be a good idea.

nonetheless--

http://shareblue.com/breaking-trump-russia-investigation-has-uncovered-concrete-and-corroborative-evidence-of-collusion/#.WO-tHRemGVM.twitter

Correct me if I'm wrong

....drop bombs in Afghanistan....

We've been doing that for awhile if you haven't noticed.

but this, well nevermind. A bomb is a bomb and I guess I have never gotten used to the fact that a president and the military can do what they want pretty much. I don't think I ever will get used to that.

The little man will forever be trying to compensate.

The world will pay the price.

I'm happy to be here.

I've been saying this all along -- tRump is up the ass in debt to the Russians.

I guess that diamond buying deal(s) didn't work so hot did it?

>>Trump owes money to Russia, and that has put him in a compromised position that “lingers” over his presidency.

NO KIDDING!!!!!

psychotic idiot.

that US and Afgan forces have assaulted several times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nangarhar_Offensive_(2016)

http://www.pajhwok.com/en/2016/05/09/why-daesh-chose-achin-district-its-base-afghanistan

All the rage among draft-&-tax dodging republican-russian symps.

I doubt Trump even knew they were going to use this bomb. The military knows that Trump doesn't care what they do as long as it makes headlines.

was Twitler eating this time?

A normal MOAB yields an explosion of about 11 tons of TNT. IN comparison, Fat Man was 21 kilotons of TNT, and nukes now are about 1.2 megatons of TNT per warhead. A MOAB really isn't comparable to a nuclear bomb, but it's still a massive bomb.

which was used on several occasions. The MOAB probably has more explosive power, but doesn't really compare to even the Hiroshima bomb, which had an explosive yield around 15,000 tons of TNT.

....dropped on German sub pens.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam_(bomb)

Also, he probably has a very small penis.

Which seems very likely

I suppose they could but I doubt it.

I doubt that bomb did a whole lot of good.

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Right?

We have all been afraid this was coming...the maniac who was placed in the White House by a foreign nation and who is mentally unstable and currently under investigation that will show he colluded with Russia, is getting scared and as Malcolm Nance calls it "buggy" because he knows the law is closing in on him and the truth will be out soon.

So he is starting the conflicts we knew were coming and continuing and escalating the ones that existed. As Sean accidentally said in a Freudian slip "Trump is destabilizing the Middle East".

And he just dropped the bomb that is one step shy of the nukes that he has control over....

Does anyone really believe he is worried about "Beautiful Babies"?

This is just the beginning...

Agree its a distraction in combination with desperate attempt to gain approval ratings.
My gut tells me its out of real desperation and he's running out of options.

I think he knows the FBI has the goods. He counted on obstruction but may be too late.

He hinted he may fire Comey. He probably will during one of these military attacks so there will be less media coverage. That's a political landmine. Comey's done nothing wrong. The senate has to approve a new FBI head. Good luck attempting a Saturday Night Massacre.

Any attempt to go to war with a North Korea, Iran or any government requires congressional approval. I don't think these governments are dumb enough to be provoked into one they'll lose, so I don't think congress would approve one.

He can and will keep dropping bombs against non-govt. targets. He fucked up Yemen and I don't see him using soldiers. But now he starts looking like a desperate nut, doing a complete flip flop on policing the middle east despite no real national security concerns - plus he pisses off his alt-rt. base. Done too frequently, it also starts becoming routine unless its a giant bomb. Then it just scares the public.

who needs a 2020 election when we can just automatically re-elect the CIC because he blows things up?

It would be nice to think that Trump had done something that would get praise from the world; this is probably not it. If not for the Syria problem, he would have probably dropped sarin on this godforsaken area without beautiful babies coming into the picture somewhere. Anyway, that is out. This week anyway.
More worrying is that he has used the next 'best' thing to a nuclear bomb which makes me think that he would have used one of those if he could get away with it. Does anyone else think he is softening the US public up?
It is not the wisest option to (1) create and (2) infuriate more than one enemy at a time, but as long as he can hog the headlines yet again with all is fine. The tricky thing is dealing with blowback, and the more he wastes, the healthier the balance sheets of US Arms companies will be. So all is good, no?

His world view reminds me of somebody unleashing a toddler with a crowbar on a Super-Computer. Lots of damage, visible and invisible, and lots of sparks and explosions, but in the end, just another wacky day with Donald.
After this week though he could break with tradition and spend a weekend in Florida playing golf.

We will have WW3 before you know it.